Clone class is looking better

[spaldingracing]

Here is a deal thats hard to beat....makes the clone class look pretty good.

www.harborfreightusa.com/usa/tabviewer/startBrowseBook.do?bookid=270&preview=&type=RET&simple=

[wilywin9]

The cool thing is that they also sell you an extended warranty for $19.99 for 1 year if anything goes wrong take it back and they give you anther one! Cant beat that!! I got one for my daughter she is gonna start at the March race at oaky!

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[dixracing3]

oh whats really cool......they are pretty blue..... ;D

[wilywin9]

They come in yellow also but i got a blue one!

[bcoates54]

I say lets start a clone class make it stock with a header and well seal them at the track it would be fun I think I could even get my wife into that class well make it 13years and up with a minum wiegt of say 330 like yammi light and if thers alot of heavy will mod the rules heaver. Well make it a claimer class for 50$bucks you can swap engines if you were in the same main with another driver if one motors is obviosly to fas will mark it and make it have a wieht penalty come on joe lets make it happen it will me like racin at traxx but on DIRT oval some weeks we should go backwards ausie style

[bcoates54]

I jsut talk to 3 people that would be in especially if me made it like pro payout I got my shucks tyrod IV that would probly domintae

[spaldingracing]

Personally i am not a fan of claimer rules... i like my motors...and take care of them. And if my motor was tired, what would stop me from paying $50 and buying someones brand new motor? I like protest rules to keep it fair...but not claimer.

So how many people are serious about running a clone class? What rules package are we looking at? Personally i like the ones that allow the billet rod and flywheel. Head stock out of the box, And a max of 30 over bore for rebuilding. Once you get the flywheel you will have it forever, and if we run the rods with inserts, they should last almost forever too. I have seen these for $399 already to bolt on, with the billet goodies on them, and with the chain guard. Also if we impose a shoe clutch rule... those are under $60 already set up for a clone. The motors make 11-13 hp in that form from what i have read...so it would be good racing.

Im game.

[wilywin9]

Well i went and got one.....just to see how they work. Ordered a pipe from rlv....already got the rest of the stuff. And i agree with ya jeff.....the claimer thing is stupid....alls that does is get people pissed at each other!


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[spaldingracing]

How do you feel about the flywheel and rod? I was told they are pretty dull to drive as is....but if you allow the flywheel and rod....then they at least have a lil power.

I am game either way. But i would love to see them have the power similar to a wazoom.

Mr Dix...time for you to chime in. I dont know much about these tiller motors... But what the heck....sounds fun!!

[dixracing3]

ding dong ..ding dong <..................(chiming)

me ? lol.....do we really need another class?

they are running them back east, some of the kart shops are really catering to clone racing......

i am all for cheap racing....but do we really want to go there ? right now we have a growing 4/ class ....no flatties.....is it going to take racers from the other animal classes?

www.sunsetspeedway.org/
sunset speedway run them and seem to be happy ...check out their rules. if we do run the clone ,maybe the spokane guys will come over.
personally we don't need another class to take from what we have now , but if we have the rules and three for a class show up then we will be prepared as far as rules? then lets let them run.......
i would rather the stock animal and mod classes to fill up first.

[spaldingracing]

Mr Dix... makes sense. But can you help me... i know nothing about the tiller motors. So if i am considering putting together a 2nd chassis for the weekends where open has a poor turnout... how much am i looking to get into each of the animal classes. For a new , race ready, prepped package? mod and stock? Which has the better turnout?

Thanks

[dixracing3]

well jeffy....check the points winter and summer ...that will give you the turn out numbers.........as you know speed = dollars.
the stock animal is of coarse cheaper.......mr. stackman would be better to answer your questions...as i am just starting to aquire ohv stuff...........i have 3 jr.1's coming up ...........so i am on a learning curve.......

if it were me a second chassis/combo for you would be the yammie class.......

i know is a pro prepped ltd. mod. is 1800+ sheckles...an stock animal is bout 1200-1300......plus all the goodies.......used package ....who knows......a LO206 is about 500-600 bucks.....a uncle franks ohv blue wazoom is 1k...........nothing is cheap

we're about to order 3 jr1 motors............

[spaldingracing]

I just got bored of the yammie class so i was looking for something new. I want to learn something and challenge myself i guess. I even considered playing with a used open OHV motor for the open class just as something new. A 305 or GX390 might be a fun toy.

[mike97760]

i was reading about a 52 hp 305 looks like fun but spendy

[wilywin9]

Hey Dix what did you get for there Jr.1 motors? My daughter is gonna start in Jr1 here in a couple weeks but i just got one of them clone motors for her to get used to things a bit. I'll only be into it a couple hundered bucks. I know they are probably under powered but i just wanted her to be able to get used to it before i put the stroker sudam on her kart!!! LOL By the way whats the weight limit in Jr. 1 with a stroked sudam???

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[dixracing3]

still mulling the options.........

[TaTeR DiggER]

Stock Animal in the box is $465 and you receive a $50 gift certificate from Turk Bros; 001 or 002 from Dynocams is around $75; ARC billet rod Turk Bros or Dynocams sells them for around $75; $40 for an alcohol kit for the carb; around $40 for the exhaust pipe and $40 for the silencer - and you're in the ball park for a stock animal. That runs around $700.

Limited Modified Animal head is around $210 for a modified, ported and polished head from Turk Bros or Dynocams - call for the best price. .... 310 cam from Dynocams is about $95;...... ARC heavy duty modified animal rod is about $90;.... for a Tillotson 304wx Alky carb that's done right (blueprinted) is about $350 or you can get a PZ26 from Faster Motors for about $150 and the alcohol kit for about $45 (it may come with that, I'm not sure); and $45 for a modified exhaust and $45 for the silencer. (There is a difference between the stock and modified mufflers). That runs around $1150 - $1300 depending on which carb you choose.

If you need any help putting it together email or call me . . .

[spaldingracing]

what kind of maint between races (i am not talking about changing the oill.. i mean internal maint of the engine).

How many races between rebuilds?
how many races does the rod and piston last? Do the rods get weak in these and have to be replaced occasionaly?
Just trying to learn here...

thanks

[TaTeR DiggER]

Well Jeff, Anna's motor had 40 races on it at the BK2 race with only rings in it at 18 races or so, didn't need them then but had it opened up so we did it anyway Hooter's had 28 on it ..don't know if we needed to or not but did it just to make sure it was right ... new cam, new rod, new crank bearings, new valves,and spring
they go for a long time and run good

[TaTeR DiggER]

WOW here are some rules
Clone Stock Appearing Class Rules (Great Starting Point)

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Super Clone / Stock Appearing Class

* Any color 6.5hp Clone Engine (No Hondas or B&S)

* Stock untouched Crankshaft with stock stroke. You may weld crank gear only to stabilize. Govenor gear can be removed.

* ARC Std Clone Flywheel ONLY, any timing key. Flywheel can not be lightened

* Stock Block only, can be .030 bore with .010 clearence max. Welding is permitted for cracks only. No reinforcing of block. No block filling.. Block may be decked but no piston pop up allowed.

* Stock unaltered 3.303 ARC Billet Rod ONLY. Numbers must be on rod. Stock unaltered wrist pin.

* Stock demensional Honda ZOT or Clone Flat top or Dished piston allowed. Alterations to piston allowed.. Max piston size is .030. Rings is non tech but must use all three rings.

* Must run head gasket, any thickness ok

* Stock gx200 head that comes on engine, no adding of material, stock valve seats,any angle,stock seat id. porting ok. Decking of head ok. Chamber work ok. Vakve guides ok but must maintain stock angle. Stock items will be compared to a known stock head.

* Valve train >> .310 Max Lift Cam, no lightening of cam or billets. Non adjustable. Stock type lifters. Stock diameter valves, aftermarket ok, dished or flat top. Rocker Arms must be stock and 1.1 ratio. Welding / reinforcing ok. No roller rockers. Push rods no tech other than length,, push rod guide non tech. Valve springs non tech. Valve cover must remain stock unaltered.

* Stock unaltered coil in stock location. Kill switch optionable.

* Carburetor >> Any Brand gx200 (6.5hp) clone carb. Must remain stock on the outside of carb with exception of optional removal of choke assy. Holes must be stopped up if removed. Stock class approved filter adapters only using the K&N style filters. No RAM air. Inside of carb is non tech. No material can be added whats so ever. Gasoline ONLY. 1 fuel pump allowed and must pulse from valve cover ONLY. Max 1/4" id hose, max 5 inches long.
Plastic isolator must be used, enlarging is ok. Must run gaskets in all the stock locations. All air must enter through rear of carb, no air suckers, will be checked with WD40 if needed.

* Stock blower housing only, welding to reinforce mounting holes ok. Manual starter is optional. If removed flywheel screen must be installed. Electric start ok

* You are allowed to install 1 PVC valve by tapping block or sump cover. Simple hose and automotive PVC valve only. This will help the motor sustain the higher RPM's and excessive pressure build up in crankcase. Other than this provision and removeal of manual starter the rest of engine must appear as a stock class race engine.


* Sump cover must remain stock
* Stock Fasteners ONLY
* Only Original Honda parts allowed are piston and rings

* Header is track option.
** Your track ??

* Clutch is track option.
** Your track

* Tires are track option.
** Your Track

[spaldingracing]

The only thing i noticed is the gas rule... i love the saftey and easy tech of alky.

[TaTeR DiggER]

Me to with the alky thing, its easy tech with alky to easy to CHEAT with gas adds !!!!
I just found these on bobs and thought I would put them up to see what everyone said about them. if we are going to start something like this we need to know what the other tracks are doing with them so we know where to start
JMO ;D

[darrinf63]

So would the cost of a clone using the above rules be?
Engine $100
Flywheel $100
Cam $100
Rod $60
Head port work $100?
Exhaust $80
total $540 Plus shipping.
Is there enough difference in price between a clone and a stock animal to justify the class?
Would a box stock class like they run in Spokane be fast enough to be interesting?

can the class take off without a local shop to support the special parts?

[TaTeR DiggER]

Just one more class for everyone to cry about at the end of the race day "This takes to long I want to get home its late I have to drive soooo fare that I think MY class is the only class that should get to race
and so on and on and on Its calld cry baby racing .....


JMHO

[dixracing3]

well the spokane boys seem to like them alot.....they say they are not that much slower the other classes....

i like their rules better.......and if we need to race with them , don't you think we should be in line with rules already in use?

another class.....yeah but if you are club building why snub racers?